Pandemicene Podcast, Episode 1: Isa Ansari with Kim TallBear and Jessica Kolopenuk

The Pandemicene Podcast aims to produce knowledge that can help all of us – scholars and scientists, students and activists – imagine and enact just futures both in our home state of California and in our communities worldwide.

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Pandemicene Podcast Episode 1: Isa Ansari with Kim TallBear and Jessica Kolopenuk

Airing on KZSC Santa Cruz 88.1 FM, on two Sundays, October 11th and 18th, 6:30 – 7 pm PST.

Link to the live stream, or listen below.

Welcome to the Pandemicene podcast! Today we welcome you to a conversation with Kim TallBear and Jessica Kolopenuk, two Indigenous scholars at the University of Alberta, Canada. We talk about their Indigenous STS research training program, their upcoming open access class on Indigenous peoples and pandemics, what a “productive embrace of crisis” looks like, and how understanding our relations as kin on earth might help us learn how to live better together on stolen land. 


Guest Bios:

Kim TallBear and Jessica Kolopenuk are both scholars in the Faculty of Native Studies at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. They are the co-founders and principal investigators of Indigenous Science, Technology, and Society (STS), a research training program based out of the University of Alberta that seeks to “promote Indigenous self-determination” by supporting Indigenous led techno-scientific innovation and ways of inquiring and producing knowledge that supports Native people and their communities ( 

Works Cited in Interview:

TallBear, Kim. “Caretaking Relations, Not American Dreaming.” Kalfou, vol. 6, no. 1, 2019. doi:

Innes, Robert Alexander. Elder Brother and the Law of the People: Contemporary Kinship and Cowessess First Nation. University of Manitoba Press, 2013.

Additional Pandemicene Project Information

Find more information on the COVID-19 Pandemicene’s project page.

The SJRC has a robust network of local and international public health experts, scholars, and practitioners leading the way with collecting resources for teaching about COVID-19, writing open response letters, and calls to action, and organizing and participating in online events.

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